________ SWAT MAGAZINE ISSUE TWENTY ONE: SEPTEMBER 1999_________
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 /	               Entertaining ICQ log                         \
/                     By -=The Firestarter=-                         \
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[Yet another "space filler", once again i wasn't going to release this]
 [but it's amusing and helps add to what would otherwise be a small ]
  [   patheticly sized issue, but hey, we like to inject a bit of  ]
   [ humour into our issues, even if it is ripping the piss out of]
    [                          some guy.                         ]

Ok this I couldn't resist, actually it was the idea of both Netw0rk Bug
and Unknown Guest, now i'm sure that most of you will be aware that
i don't mock people in the magazine, and if i do then it is always with
a reason, so i won't put his name or ICQ number in this file.

Anyway on with the amusements (as well as a few comments so that i
don't look like a sick bastard - Note, if the party involved wishes to
e-mail me his comments then i will gladly re-release this article in a
revised manner including his comments). My comments are <like this>

--------------------------------------
     ICQ History Log For:    
             XXXXXXXX  ?????
 Started on Mon Jun 21 22:23:42 1999
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<first meeting online>

Firestarte 6/18/99  6:39 PM  hi

??????        6/18/99  7:16 PM  hey sup? i have totally no idea how to use
                                  this im not the icq kind of guy

Firestarte 6/18/99  7:17 PM  yeah i was the same, you get used to it
                                  quickly

??????        6/18/99  7:17 PM  cool is this the only way to talk through uhh
                                  a weak version of instant messager
                                  

Firestarte 6/18/99  7:18 PM  well there's chat rooms and stuff (on ICQ i
                                  mean)

<pretty normal, he seems like an ok guy>
<I cut a load of irrelevent information about an e-mail he sent me, and
 he asked if i'd got it or not>

Firestarte 6/18/99  7:21 PM  i normally reply the day i get my mail, but
                                  i've been knackered lately

??????        6/18/99  7:21 PM  i specilize in unix but mostly nt
                                  

Firestarte 6/18/99  7:22 PM  ? that didn't make sense

??????        6/18/99  7:22 PM  i got acess to all servers,proxys,admins
                                  accounts, all black boxes.. ect... at
                                  MCI-WORLDCOM and UUNET

<here's me trying to figure out what the fuck he's on about>

??????        6/18/99  7:23 PM  yo?
                                  

<cut other irrelevent shit about a mailling list that SWAT members have>
                                  

Firestarte 6/18/99  7:23 PM  nice one

<still trying to work out what the fuck he was on about, MCI-WORLDCOM?>

Firestarte 6/18/99  7:23 PM  yeah

??????        6/18/99  7:23 PM  xxx.xxx.x.x
                                   is this yours?
                                  

Firestarte 6/18/99  7:23 PM  yeah

Firestarte 6/18/99  7:24 PM  why do you ask?

??????        6/18/99  7:24 PM  shit my ears hurt i had 10 pounds of c-2
                                  explode like 100 feet from me 
                                  

Firestarte 6/18/99  7:24 PM  <lol> where do you get it from?

??????        6/18/99  7:25 PM  just wandering plus i know it is yours.....
                                  

Firestarte 6/18/99  7:25 PM  yeah since it's my IP at the moment, it would
                                  make sense

??????        6/18/99  7:26 PM  My gramps.... he tought me everything (he was
                                  a wepons specilist for ww2 and made all that
                                  explosive shit plus he has a storage room full
                                  of awsome shit I feel like a  child in a candy
                                  store
                                  

??????        6/18/99  7:26 PM  my-ip.adderss.hostname 
                                  is that your dial up server?
                                  

Firestarte 6/18/99  7:27 PM  yeah

??????        6/18/99  7:27 PM  ya he got shoot 12 times in ww2 but still
                                  killed 3000 peeps with one pull of a trigger
                                  

??????        6/18/99  7:28 PM  internet security is really low these days
                                  from what i have right now i can find out some
                                  awsome shit
                                  

Firestarte 6/18/99  7:28 PM  quit trying to port scan me, my firewalls
                                  going mental

??????        6/18/99  7:29 PM  firewalls are very low security these days...
                                  so easy to fuck them over
                                  

Firestarte 6/18/99  7:29 PM  ConSeal is quite good

??????        6/18/99  7:30 PM  did you get the patch for it?
                                  

Firestarte 6/18/99  7:30 PM  yeah

??????        6/18/99  7:31 PM  really it isnt out yet? my groupys broke it
                                  last night and passed out from drinking like a
                                  minite later
                                  

Firestarte 6/18/99  7:31 PM  which patch are you refering to?

??????        6/18/99  7:32 PM  the one the company is gonna need to make
                                  after we submit o them how we fucked it
                                  

Firestarte 6/18/99  7:32 PM  ? your not makeing any sense

??????        6/18/99  7:32 PM  sorry it must be the drugs from last night
                                  
<asks me a question about explosives>

Firestarte 6/18/99  7:39 PM  mix the weedkiller and sugar. 

??????        6/18/99  7:40 PM  so its in liguid form>?

Firestarte 6/18/99  7:41 PM  no, it's a powder

??????        6/18/99  7:41 PM  the weed lkiller is a powder?
                                  

Firestarte 6/18/99  7:41 PM  yeah, well it's a salt atually

??????        6/18/99  7:42 PM  got ya 
                                  so what posision might be open for me in your
                                  club?

Firestarte 6/18/99  7:42 PM  depends on how you perform in your trials

??????        6/18/99  7:43 PM  like what do i do?
                                  

Firestarte 6/18/99  7:43 PM  Netw0rk will set the tasks for you


??????        6/18/99  7:45 PM  I know jolly roger! hes a 27 year old bomb
                                  squad trainy

<the expression, pissing myself laughing does not do that last statement justice>
                                  

??????        6/18/99  7:45 PM  tasks like what?
                                  my dads commimng back from new york and well
                                  he tracks all i do after that bitching court
                                  trial

Firestarte 6/18/99  7:45 PM  what trials that?

??????        6/18/99  7:46 PM  electronic terrorism
                                  

Firestarte 6/18/99  7:46 PM  oh right

??????        6/18/99  7:47 PM  wehat?
                                  whaT?
                                  

Firestarte 6/18/99  7:48 PM  i just wondered what the trial was that's all

<Me thinking he'd run WinNuke on somebodies computer and daddy got upset after
his ISP kicked him off>

??????        6/18/99  7:48 PM  i made a satilite move 10 miles of target

Firestarte 6/18/99  7:48 PM  ok

<note the kind of "total bullshit" responce here>

??????        6/18/99  7:49 PM  it was this low security news doppler thing
                                  

Firestarte 6/18/99  7:49 PM  ok

<once again take note of the kind of "total bullshit" responce here>

??????        6/18/99  7:50 PM  how old are you?
                                  

Firestarte 6/18/99  7:51 PM  why do you ask?

??????        6/18/99  7:51 PM  just wandering

Firestarte 6/18/99  7:52 PM  k, i'm 17, yourself?


??????        6/18/99  7:52 PM  1000
                                  

Firestarte 6/18/99  7:52 PM  don't be lame

??????        6/18/99  7:53 PM  i like for people to know as little about me
                                  as possible
                                  

Firestarte 6/18/99  7:53 PM  so what's age got to do with anything?

??????        6/18/99  7:53 PM  its part of a description
                                  

Firestarte 6/18/99  7:54 PM  so, it doesn't prove anything other than how
                                  old you are

<I trace route him to see what ISP he's on with>

Firestarte 6/18/99  7:55 PM  i see your on Compuserve

??????        6/18/99  7:56 PM  not my account though
                                  
<then i view his ICQ profile>                                  

Firestarte 6/18/99  7:56 PM  and your 13

??????        6/18/99  7:57 PM  ha ha ha 
                                  

??????        6/18/99  7:57 PM  I must say this again "a sucker is born every
                                  minite"

<here's me trying to think who the sucker is? Unknown Guest was kind enough
 to test out his ADSL connection's lethal pinging abbilities here>
<I think that ??????'s responce time was similar to that of the x-stream
 connectionm when it first went for the 0800 dial up number>
                                  

??????        6/19/99  3:41 PM  c ya
                                  

Firestarte 6/19/99  3:43 PM  ok guys i gotta go

Firestarte 6/20/99  12:38 AM hi

Firestarte 6/20/99  12:58 AM Ok i'll be back online in about 1 minute, i
                                  need to reboot (Netscape crashed and fucked my
                                  system up)

<the last few where multiple messages>

??????        6/20/99  4:00 AM  ok
                                                                   

??????        6/21/99  12:04 AM cant talk
                                  

??????        6/21/99  8:25 PM  hey

<this next section is soooooooooo funny>

Firestarte 6/21/99  8:26 PM  hi

??????        6/21/99  8:27 PM  do i have acess to the members part of your
                                  site?
                                  

Firestarte 6/21/99  8:27 PM  not yet

??????        6/21/99  8:27 PM  whats on it?
                                  

Firestarte 6/21/99  8:27 PM  secret stuff

??????        6/21/99  8:28 PM  like?
                                  

Firestarte 6/21/99  8:29 PM  ahh, well that would be telling if i where to
                                  list everything that's on there

??????        6/21/99  8:29 PM  oooo kkkkkk
                                  

??????        6/21/99  8:31 PM  just give me one thing thats on it

<the members section does not have anything on it, i decided, as
did Unknown Guest at this point, to "have a little fun" with our lamer
friend and see what more bullshit we could get from him>

Firestarte 6/21/99  8:32 PM  hmm, lists of sites and there weaknesses

??????        6/21/99  8:32 PM  now why is that so secret?
                                  

Firestarte 6/21/99  8:33 PM  the sites are on a hit list

??????        6/21/99  8:33 PM  ha thats funny you have a hit list of web
                                  sites
                                  

Firestarte 6/21/99  8:34 PM  well, servers actually, it's not the sites we
                                  target but rather the whole system

??????        6/21/99  8:34 PM  like what severs?
                                  

Firestarte 6/21/99  8:35 PM  mostly servers in japan

??????        6/21/99  8:35 PM  child porn?
                                  

Firestarte 6/21/99  8:36 PM  yeah mostly

??????        6/21/99  8:36 PM  ??

Firestarte 6/21/99  8:37 PM  yeah we take down large numbers of computer
                                  systems

??????        6/21/99  8:37 PM  give me a server to see
                                  i wanna get there system envirement
                                  

Firestarte 6/21/99  8:37 PM  can't do that i'm afraid, we guard our list
                                  very well

??????        6/21/99  8:38 PM  ohh come on i wanna find out the envirement of
                                  one of the web sites and see whaat i can do?
                                  

??????        6/21/99  8:38 PM  i dont want the whole list
                                  

Firestarte 6/21/99  8:39 PM  well we list the sites from 1 to about 500 and
                                  then go though the list and kill them all off.
                                  What kind of system are you looking at taking
                                  down?

??????        6/21/99  8:40 PM  system what do you mean by that location i
                                  would perfere russian and system i would
                                  perfure NT

Firestarte 6/21/99  8:40 PM  sorry, russian ones are mine, hang on i'll see
                                  what i can get for you

??????        6/21/99  8:41 PM  one russian server is all im asking for

Firestarte 6/21/99  8:41 PM  ok let me dig out the list

<here i go looking for the IP address of a site that was hacked by UG a while ago>

??????        6/21/99  8:41 PM  cool
                                  

??????        6/21/99  8:45 PM  shit
                                  so did you find that server yet?
                                  

Firestarte 6/21/99  8:46 PM  just going through my list, would a hacked
                                  server be ok?

??????        6/21/99  8:47 PM  what do you mean? 

Firestarte 6/21/99  8:47 PM  one that was taken down by the team a short
                                  while ago

??????        6/21/99  8:47 PM  dose it still ahve porn on it?

<hmm, this guy is strange, asking if there's kiddie porn on the server>
                                  

Firestarte 6/21/99  8:48 PM  nope, doesn't have much on it anymore

??????        6/21/99  8:48 PM  here give me one to see if i can haress it
                                  

Firestarte 6/21/99  8:48 PM  harrass it?

??????        6/21/99  8:49 PM  trust me just give me a preetenn porn site

<I wonder why>
                                  

Firestarte 6/21/99  8:49 PM  yeah but what do you "harrass it"

??????        6/21/99  8:50 PM  i threaten them then i shut them down
                                  perminiatly.........
                                  here give me any server and i wanna see how
                                  volernable it is

Firestarte 6/21/99  8:50 PM  <lol> we don't threaten them, we close them
                                  down

Firestarte 6/21/99  8:51 PM  UG wants to know if you can access
                                  xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx

<that was a server with no security, hell even i could have accessed it and
i know fuck all about NT hacking, well i know the basics anyway>

??????        6/21/99  8:51 PM  ya i like for them to swet first
                                  just give me a server to see its weakness

??????        6/21/99  8:51 PM  why?
                                  

Firestarte 6/21/99  8:52 PM  UG's just like that

??????        6/21/99  8:53 PM  getting back to subject give me a server to
                                  test

Firestarte 6/21/99  8:54 PM  that was a server

??????        6/21/99  8:54 PM  a web server?
                                  

??????        6/21/99  8:56 PM  ??
                                  

Firestarte 6/21/99  8:57 PM  yeah, UG's elite (although he doen't like to
                                  admit it), he just has trouble getting Admin
                                  rights on that server. We know what's on it
                                  because on of our guys got some stuff from it,
                                  we need to test it out for a full blown attack

<this is where i begin bullshitting, UG might not be elite, but he is a good
 hacker (just incase some of you start thinking that we think SWAT is some
 'leet skillz 0nly gr00p)>

??????        6/21/99  8:58 PM  give me a web server that acually works and
                                  didnt ip block me
                                  

Firestarte 6/21/99  8:58 PM  that does work, they just don't run a HTTP
                                  daemon on ports 80, 8080 or 3128 like others
                                  do

<actually does HTTP daemons run on port 3128? or was that bullshit, no doubt
 our 'leet friend will tell me if i'm wrong, actually i honestly don't know>

??????        6/21/99  8:59 PM  ok give me another
                                  

Firestarte 6/21/99  8:59 PM  can't, we need to get admin on that system,
                                  something UG's having a little trouble with at
                                  the moment. 

<LOL UG had admin access on that in a matter of seconds>

??????        6/21/99  9:00 PM  give me a server which i can get on eaisly

<how fucking easy can you get? UG had the admin password in an instant>
                                  

Firestarte 6/21/99  9:01 PM  that server isn't hard to crack, UG can
                                  already get into some of it

??????        6/21/99  9:02 PM  can you give me another server?
                                  cause i cant acess that one 

<ROTFL>
                                  

Firestarte 6/21/99  9:02 PM  i thought you where elite?

<elite? read: lame>

??????        6/21/99  9:03 PM  look man if i want to acess it i would but i
                                  dont feel like it 
                                  give me a server with a default port


Firestarte 6/21/99  9:04 PM  but that server has the default ports, i mean
                                  port 139 is open, and stuff. It just doesn't
                                  have a HTTP daemon running on the normal ports

??????        6/21/99  9:04 PM  exactly i dont have the time to get on those
                                  ports give me a server with default ports
                                  

Firestarte 6/21/99  9:05 PM  u can acess it via port 139? i thought you
                                  knew that

??????        6/21/99  9:06 PM  give me somnething with port 80
                                  

Firestarte 6/21/99  9:06 PM  why? that's only a HTTP daemon

??????        6/21/99  9:06 PM  i know trust me
                                  

Firestarte 6/21/99  9:07 PM  your not a kiddie fiddler are u?

??????        6/21/99  9:08 PM  DA FUCK I AM HOW DARE YOU?
                                  

Firestarte 6/21/99  9:08 PM  well why else do you want port 80 open? NT
                                  isn't vulnrable to CGI exploits like others
                                  are, if it was i'd have rooted it ages ago

<yeah i'm learning *nix CGI exploits incase any of you are wondering>


??????        6/21/99  9:08 PM  understand me i have different methouds of
                                  server destruction

Firestarte 6/21/99  9:09 PM  we sdon't want to destroy it, we want admin
                                  rights

??????        6/21/99  9:10 PM  fine i wopunt do anything unless you say so
                                  

Firestarte 6/21/99  9:10 PM  yeah but we need admin rights so that we can
                                  download some of there files, then we
                                  annihilate the server with "GSCRUB"

<before anyone asks, i made GSCUB up off the top of my head>

??????        6/21/99  9:11 PM  oh sure "download"

Firestarte 6/21/99  9:11 PM  yeah download, how else do we get them off the
                                  server?

??????        6/21/99  9:11 PM  ya and view them
                                  

Firestarte 6/21/99  9:12 PM  yeah, how else do we get the information?

??????        6/21/99  9:12 PM  read between the lines ===-====

Firestarte 6/21/99  9:13 PM  oh, we're not after kiddie porn, we need there
                                  database

??????        6/21/99  9:14 PM  now let me deal with the sites my own way

??????        6/21/99  9:14 PM  now come on give me a site to deal with

??????        6/21/99  9:14 PM  uuhh huh dstabase of pwds and usr names for
                                  free acess?

Firestarte 6/21/99  9:14 PM  no, the names, CC's numbers and addresses of
                                  the people that subscribe to it, also other
                                  stuff

??????        6/21/99  9:15 PM  stop denying it 

Firestarte 6/21/99  9:15 PM  denying what?

??????        6/21/99  9:16 PM  nevermind
                                  lets continue and i repeat i have different
                                  methods for doing things 

??????        6/21/99  9:17 PM  now give me one with a http acess so i can
                                  envirement test them my own way
                                  

Firestarte 6/21/99  9:18 PM  hang on, you think that we d/l kiddie porn,
                                  and your here asking me for a kiddie porn site
                                  with HTTP access? i mean you don't even test
                                  an environment via port 80

<well ok so perhaps you can environtent test on port 80>

??????        6/21/99  9:19 PM  ha ha 

??????        6/21/99  9:22 PM  you dont understand my sister was found on a
                                  porn site and now my goal is to fuck up every
                                  pre-teen port sites perferible russian i need
                                  HTTP acess to go special tests(which dark 
                                  told me how to) If you think i even remotly
                                  like the exployting of children or "teens"
                                  they should smack you up side the head with a
                                  hammer and lock me up

<LOL i nearly pissed myself when i read that>

Firestarte 6/21/99  9:23 PM  personally we deal with them in a slightly
                                  more violent way

??????        6/21/99  9:23 PM  i bet up ever shit that says he got some girls
                                  taht i would like 

??????        6/21/99  9:24 PM  i went to this bar and i kicked the shit out
                                  of a pimp

<most of the following here is compleate bullshit, but funny nontheless>

Firestarte 6/21/99  9:24 PM  we've hunted down rapest in the past and dealt
                                  with them

??????        6/21/99  9:24 PM  so have I
                                  

Firestarte 6/21/99  9:25 PM  how did you deal with them?

??????        6/21/99  9:25 PM  The last thing anyone would say to me is "I've
                                  got some fresh knew tight girls for you"
                                  

Firestarte 6/21/99  9:25 PM  yeah, i mean how did you "deal" with him?

??????        6/21/99  9:26 PM  take a bat with some friends and beat the shit
                                  out of that pimp and tell him if he does it
                                  again this time he wount live then i have a
                                  few friends trace him for a few days to see if
                                  they keep doing it (no one ever did again)

<one reboot later>


??????        6/21/99  9:33 PM  come on firestarter let me deal with it my own
                                  way it aint fair your keeping me from putting
                                  a stop to it

Firestarte 6/21/99  9:33 PM  sorry, my computer crashed

??????        6/21/99  9:34 PM  no prob

Firestarte 6/21/99  9:35 PM  we like to deal with our own finds, surely
                                  you'd know how to find your own sites?.
                                  Anyway, using a bat on a guy is a little mild
                                  isn't it?

??????        6/21/99  9:35 PM  so what do you say?
                                  

Firestarte 6/21/99  9:35 PM  what?

??????        6/21/99  9:36 PM  mild ? 7 broken fingers 3 ribs, a collorbone
                                  hip and the list goes on

??????        6/21/99  9:37 PM  and acually i dont i tried now all i found is
                                  dead links (im a dog without a bone)

<LOL looking for kiddie porn on the internet? what kind of bone is he refering to?>
                                  

Firestarte 6/21/99  9:38 PM  yeah but you only beat him up

<ok the following is total and utter bullshit from myself>

??????        6/21/99  9:39 PM  i then traced him and threatened him till he
                                  stoped doing it 

Firestarte 6/21/99  9:40 PM  we forced this guy to confess to his
                                  girlfriend what he did, before we took him out
                                  for a little drive

??????        6/21/99  9:41 PM  lol what happened on the little drive?
                                  

Firestarte 6/21/99  9:41 PM  not much, well while we where drivng anyway

??????        6/21/99  9:41 PM  anyways GIVE ME A DAMN SITE TO FUCK OVER!!!

Firestarte 6/21/99  9:42 PM  nah, i haven't finished my little story yet

??????        6/21/99  9:42 PM  keep going

Firestarte 6/21/99  9:43 PM  ok then, so he was beaten up a little at
                                  first, mostly mocking him and stuff

??????        6/21/99  9:43 PM  then?
                                  

Firestarte 6/21/99  9:43 PM  then was kind of used as a target

??????        6/21/99  9:44 PM  a target of what 
                                  <--chuckles up

<gonna chuck up in a minute>

Firestarte 6/21/99  9:45 PM  hang on i'll dig out the picture (Shadow had
                                  his digital camra)


??????        6/21/99  9:45 PM  SWEET SWEET SWEET!!!!!!!!!!

Firestarte 6/21/99  9:45 PM  hang on, i know i've got it here somewhere

??????        6/21/99  9:46 PM  k
                                  

Firestarte 6/21/99  9:47 PM  your not squeemish are you?

<searching www.shownomercy.com in vane looking for a "good" murder pitcure>

??????        6/21/99  9:47 PM  nope i wouldnt say

Firestarte 6/21/99  9:48 PM  hold on, i know that it's in here somewhere

??????        6/21/99  9:48 PM  k
                                  

??????        6/21/99  9:50 PM  found it yet?
                                  

Firestarte 6/21/99  9:50 PM  kinda, i dunno whether to send it or not

<just saving the pic from  www.shownomercy.com/eyesopen/murder/murder40.html >

??????        6/21/99  9:51 PM  im dieing to see your work

<dieing, well somebody certainly was (sorry, i had to get my sick sense of
 humour in here somewhere, as if this log isn't enough)>

Firestarte 6/21/99  9:51 PM  well it's kinda violent

<no shit, this guys head's smashed open>

??????        6/21/99  9:52 PM  i have done worser things probly

<I SERIOUSLY doubt that>

Firestarte 6/21/99  9:52 PM  fair enough, i've got it here, hold on i'll
                                  ICQ it to you

??????        6/21/99  9:53 PM  sweet

<just renamed the jpg and sent it>

Firestarte 6/21/99  9:54 PM  your connections a little slow, what speed is
                                  your modem?

<didn't UG mention something to me about his 512 mb/s WAN that this guy said he owns?>

??????        6/21/99  9:54 PM  shit you fucking killed him?


Firestarte 6/21/99  9:55 PM  so

??????        6/21/99  9:55 PM  nice try but i got reverse assult

??????        6/21/99  9:55 PM  do you take plesure in this?

<Unknown Guest said that i should say yes to that last question, now i wish i did just
 to "see" his reaction>

Firestarte 6/21/99  9:55 PM  reverse assult?

Firestarte 6/21/99  9:56 PM  dunno, i didn't pull the trigger

<hell this guys head is smashed open, not a gunshot wound to the head, hell look his
 brains on the floor next to him>

??????        6/21/99  9:56 PM  ya cant ping me trace route or anything it
                                  take s your info through a avarage carrier

<yeah right, total bollocks if you ask me>

??????        6/21/99  9:56 PM  with what did you shoot him?
                                  

Firestarte 6/21/99  9:57 PM  one of the guys has a small pistol, i forget
                                  the calibre, 0.22 i think, long cartriges

<I was gonna say a 7.62 rifel, but that might have taken the piss a little too
 much>

??????        6/21/99  9:57 PM  a pistal did taht?

??????        6/21/99  9:58 PM  your a fucking killer

Firestarte 6/21/99  9:58 PM  yeah, point blank range, it was erally fucking
                                  strange, i didn't expect it to do much damage,
                                  well i knew that it would kill him, but not
                                  that much damage 

Firestarte 6/21/99  9:59 PM  like i said, i didn't kill him

??????        6/21/99  9:59 PM  fine your a acomplise to a murder BIG
                                  difference

Firestarte 6/21/99  10:00 PM think of the lives that he destroyed

<I don't actually know anything about the picture, in terms of why this guys head
was smashed open, so i decided to stick with the "rapest story">

??????        6/21/99  10:00 PM dsetroyed not killed dont you think that was a
                                  little HARD OF a punishment?

Firestarte 6/21/99  10:01 PM yeah but when one of the girls commits suicide
                                  it makes a lot of difference

??????        6/21/99  10:02 PM did she?

Firestarte 6/21/99  10:02 PM yeah, that's why we did it. don't you know
                                  what raep does to somebody?

??????        6/21/99  10:03 PM still .... thats terrible but its not the
                                  worst thing i seen